OBS Browser/CEF Plans, Progress & Timeline

[WizardCM]

This page is designed to show current progress/plans when it comes to improvements, fixes, and feature parity when it comes to the Browser Source, Custom Browser Docks & Service Integration. Questions/discussion welcome below.

Previously I was posting status updates in the #development channel on Discord but felt they'd be very easily lost.

Note that actual implementation details, PR reviews & bugs should be posted on the respective Issues or PRs.

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Edit June 9, 2024: Big update in regards to future CEF upgrades, including successful testing of Chromium 126 across Windows, macOS, Linux. See here for the full writeup.

Edit September 1, 2022: OBS 28.0 was released with Chromium 103. Changes are on hold due to changes in Chromium that make our existing patches for shared textures incompatible.

Edit November 28, 2021: See here regarding OBS 27.2.

Edit April 18, 2021: See here regarding 26.1.2 and 27.0.

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Current capabilities (as of OBS 27.1)

Version

• Windows: CEF 3770 (Chromium 75)
• macOS: CEF 4183 (Chromium 85)
• Linux: CEF 4280 (Chromium 87)

Feature parity

• Custom Browser Docks: Windows, macOS, Linux (except Wayland)
• Service Integration: Windows, macOS, Linux (except Wayland)

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Major plans for the browser source

Note: For each of the features described below, every item has to be done for a feature to be ready. Estimates are hopeful, and will likely change. There is no actual, concrete timeline.

• Browser Panels & Service integration on macOS macOS Browser Panel Support obs-browser#197

  • Estimated: OBS 26.2 / 27

  • Note: It's possible that these two capabilities will be added in separate versions

• Browser Panels & Service integration on Linux Add Linux browser panel support [CEF 4280 / Chromium 87] obs-browser#254

  • Estimated: OBS 27

  • Note: It's possible that these two capabilities will be added in separate versions

• Update to Chromium 95 / CEF 4638 on Windows, macOS and Linux

  • Estimated: OBS 27.2

Individual steps

Update to Chromium 95 / CEF 4638

The main purpose here is to use a more recent version of Chromium.

• Shared textures overhaul (& hardware acceleration) on Windows complex

• • Update libobs & obs-browser to support new shared texture handles
• • Performance testing

• Test disabling hardware acceleration and opening 5+ browser sources

• Test downgrading from newer CEF to older build (when downgrading OBS itself) - mostly cookies

• Upload new CEF builds to Fastly for both macOS and Windows

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Have any questions? Post them below!

[WizardCM]

Status Update:

As of OBS 26.1.2:

• Successfully updated to CEF 4183 (Chrome 85) on macOS - a little earlier than expected

As of OBS 27.0:

• Successfully updated to CEF 4280 (Chrome 87) on Linux
• Successfully added Service Integration / Custom Browser docks on macOS and Linux

And then there's Windows..

Let me be up front: we absolutely want to update CEF as soon as possible. Unfortunately, we were unable to get it updated in time for OBS 27.0 due to complications with the shared texture API provided in the unmerged CEF PR.

The original PR for CEF was designed for Chrome 79, and was adapted to work with Chrome 85. There are builds made for Chrome 87, but they don't seem to work, and we were unable to get it to work with Chrome 89 either. Likely something changed on the Chrome side.

We plan to revisit the CEF update after 27.0 is out, to try and get it working for 27.1.

[JillKatze]

Of course I stumbled across all of this after trying to do a local build with a new CEF drop to see if it fixed obsproject/obs-browser#237 and having it explode spectacularly 💀

As I mentioned in that issue, I believe the audio popping/stuttering/crackling that sometimes occurs when using "Control audio via OBS" on browser sources may have been due to a browser bug that was fixed recently (see Chromium bug 1130375). I wanted to make sure this particular commit was on the radar of whoever ends up doing the work to get a new CEF drop working in Windows, so that hopefully a version that contains that fix gets pulled in.

I'm no expert in how Chromium branches and versioning work, but from the tags it seems like that was merged into 89 (4389) and 90 (4430), so if this issue also affects Mac and Linux (unsure, don't have the ability to test those atm), then they would also benefit from bumping up again to a version with this change, if it actually fixes the issue in the browser source.

My apologies if this is potentially making more work for someone, but it would be disappointing to see work get put in to update CEF in the next release but to a version just old enough to miss this fix I really want. Thanks for your time.

[WizardCM]

Thanks for reaching out and documenting your findings. We will certainly keep this issue in mind when updating CEF on Windows.

[FaeyUmbrea]

It would generally be amazing if the CEF version could be updated more frequently than once every 2 years or so. There is a bunch of JS language features missing due to the large gap in between update. One of the bigger features missing in 75 is the "?." operator, also known as Optional Chaining which was added in Chromium 80, this creates dependency on using babel.js to create larger, more unoptimized JS files if one wants their site to work in OBS.

[dodgepong]

I don't think anyone objects to the desire to update more frequently. The point, here, is that the reason CEF hasn't been updated isn't due to laziness or a lax update schedule, but because the newer versions of CEF literally lack features that OBS absolutely requires to run effectively. Do you really want to sacrifice hardware acceleration in order to get option chaining? I think most people would say no.

[DerValiser]

Please update at least to version 88 of Chromium. The latest version is 95, by the way.

The planned Version 85 still does not support clip-path path() which makes SVG animations nearly impossible in OBS.

https://caniuse.com/mdn-css_properties_clip-path_path

See this example, which is not supported in obs:
https://wiki.selfhtml.org/extensions/Selfhtml/example.php/Beispiel:CSS3_clip-path-3.html

[Fenrirthviti]

The answers to all of these questions are in the thread, I suggest taking the time at this point to actually read the discussion to avoid asking the same questions that have already been answered.

[FaeyUmbrea]

Actually if I could hijack this thread for a second. There is no link to the actual discussions on the side of CEF and I have lost it after looking it up in my original comment above this one. It would be amazing if you could provide those links or regular updates to this topic on how the project is going. What ever is easiest for you and the team.
From the outside the lack of new information makes this process look abandonned.

[Fenrirthviti]

Thanks, my mistake I had thought the links to the CEF PR (where a lot of the discussion took place) were linked here.

CEF PR #285 (shared texture support)

[DerValiser]

The answers to all of these questions are in the thread, I suggest taking the time at this point to actually read the discussion to avoid asking the same questions that have already been answered.

This is why you shall never rely on PRs. Simple developer rule.

[RytoEX]

I assume you already asked the team there if it would be possible to merge this pull request? Maybe asking them, in case you are just waiting, would speed up the process. Seems that your life would be easier as well then. Good luck and thank you for the work.

The maintainer of CEF has already stated that they do not plan on merging the PR without the Chromium team implementing and maintaining some portion of the changes necessary to support the PR. That is more or less where the conversation ended quite some time ago. To my recollection, we have already expressed interest in working with other groups to maintain the PR so that we can all benefit from the performance benefits of the feature.

The answers to all of these questions are in the thread, I suggest taking the time at this point to actually read the discussion to avoid asking the same questions that have already been answered.

This is why you shall never rely on PRs. Simple developer rule.

If we did not utilize the PR in question, the browser source would simply not be nearly as performant as it is. Asking us to simply do away with that would be unnecessarily inflicting performance penalties on every browser source instance which, in some cases, would be so detrimental it would become impossible to utilize them in a stable fashion.

If you have the time or resources to assist us in our efforts to get the PR working for a newer version of CEF, that would be welcome.

[pjtgrizzly]

Is Update to Chromium 85 / CEF 4183 on Windows still slated for ballpark of OBS 27.2? Just curious if this got pushed back further at this point as assuming with 27.1 just coming out and didn't seem to include this update that perhaps it's on the very near horizon?

[WizardCM]

Unfortunately there was not a lot of time to revisit this - however it's not looking promising. I will post an update as soon as I have something more concrete.

[pjtgrizzly]

Got it - thanks so much for all y'all do!

[WizardCM]

Status Update:

As some noticed, we did not manage to squeeze a CEF update into OBS 27.1.

However, I come bearing really, really great news:

We've successfully built & tested CEF 4638 (Chromium 95) with all the bells & whistles we require. 🎉🎉

15:42:58.079: [obs-browser]: Version 2.16.3
15:42:58.079: [obs-browser]: CEF Version 95.7.9+g0d1bea3+chromium-95.0.4638.17

As mentioned before, Windows was a very big challenge. Thanks to the amazing efforts of @pkviet, @VodBox, @PatTheMav and the original author of the CEF PR that we use for shared textures, things are looking up.

As it stands, there are a couple of smaller blockers we still need to work on, but I am hopeful that this will ship in OBS 27.2 (on all platforms). 🚀

PRs to keep an eye on:

• Add full support for CEF 4638 obs-browser#323
• libobs/graphics: Add support for NT Handle shared textures #5518

Changes that still need to be made/tested:

• file:// behaviours have changed dramatically in Chromium, so we will have to perform different workarounds on our side. I personally hope to look into this over the coming weeks
• Testing still needs to be done on Linux

Other issues may come up as we test, and I will post this as we go.

[pjtgrizzly]

That is awesome - talk about brand spanking new version of Chromium. Looking forward - great work y'all!

[Trouffman]

This is promising! Thanks for the continued hard work on this!

[WizardCM]

I've made some minor updates to the above status update, mainly the addition of #5518 and that I've done some testing of file:// mode. I hope to post another proper status update soon.

[WizardCM]

Status Update:

The CEF 95 update has been merged for OBS 27.2. 🎉🎉

All our tests on Windows, macOS and Linux have passed with flying colours. The code has now been merged, and we're all set to ship CEF 95.

We did run into small quicks that needed to be fixed along the way, but everything was easily solvable. CI successfully built with existing versions so if we do have to revert for any reason (which we likely won't have to), then those parts are safe too.

Next steps:

• Upload CEF 95 to our Fastly mirror
• Update CI with new links to CEF 95

I will post an update on this comment when the two above tasks are done.

[WizardCM]

• CI: Update CEF version to 4638 (Chromium 95) on all platforms #5648

The pull request with CEF 95 on CI is now up! Artifacts for Windows and macOS will be available automatically.

Heads up: there are 2 known crashes on shutdown on Linux that we hope to track down & fix before full OBS 27.2 release.

[WizardCM]

Smaller update: we've solved at least 2 crashes on shutdown related to CEF on Linux.

There does seem to be one more Linux crash that we've had less luck fixing, but it has relatively strict reproduction steps so we're hoping it won't hit too many users during beta. We hope to revisit the issue either during beta or very soon after release.

Linux crash (on shutdown) reproduction steps for anyone who'd like to try their hand at debugging:

1. Add a Custom Browser Dock of the Twitch homepage
2. Ensure a video stream is playing in the dock
3. Close OBS

[TheRedM]

Is there any plans for browser source on arm linux? I'm actually trying to make it work using Spotify pre built CEF binary, this is my first time digging in a project, i hope i can make it work.

[tytan652]

Since aarch64(arm64) is planned for macOS and Windows, Linux could join it too. But for arm (32bit) I don't know.
Note: from 27.2, the CEF for Linux include custom patches.

https://github.com/obsproject/cef/tree/MediaHandler

[TheRedM]

I just successfully built it for linux arm64, working good so far.
Funny thing i had never checked this branch, i just went straight to Spotify pre built CEF and did some digging (bazukas old obs-linuxbrowser) and it worked.

[amazingfate]

The cef binaried are uploaded to Fastly, but the source code is at: https://github.com/obsproject/cef. Is there an instruction to let people know how to build the binaries from source code? I'm trying to build one for linux arm64.

[amazingfate]

Thanks! I didn't find it in the docs. I will use it for my arm64 obs.

[Vitalicus]

what are the commands to compile?

[amarmashruwala]

Hi All, how do i install OBS-studio on Armbian jammy desktop ? thanks

[amazingfate]

I packaged obs v29 in my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~liujianfeng1994/+archive/ubuntu/rockchip-multimedia

[Fenrirthviti]

This discussion post is not an appropriate place to ask for support. Please use the Forums or Discord instead.

[WillFM]

Are there any plans for CEF updates (was hoping to see one with OBS 30)? I see the last update was from 2022, almost two years ago. OBS Browser is on CEF version based on Chromium 103, yet the latest version of CEF is now on Chromium 119. there are a lot of vulnerability fixes, performance improvements, and features added over the past two years.

[Fenrirthviti]

We cannot update, as the features we rely on are no longer available in newer releases.

[WillFM]

I didn't read the earlier posts thoroughly enough. I see mention of hardware acceleration, but no clear-cut mention of what features were dropped in CEF that OBS relies on.

Some googling, I'm seeing mentions about Offscreen rendering with hardware acceleration. Is this the dropped feature?

[pkviet]

I didn't read the earlier posts thoroughly enough. I see mention of hardware acceleration, but no clear-cut mention of what features were dropped in CEF that OBS relies on.

Some googling, I'm seeing mentions about Offscreen rendering with hardware acceleration. Is this the dropped feature?

Texture sharing is not possible anymore. We used a patch which can't be applied for versions later than 103. We've tried but there are too many stuffs to revert in chromium. What we need is the feature to be ported to skia.

[Fenrirthviti]

Effectively. The patches to support OSR are not compatible with the new renderer, and need to be re-developed from scratch. The tl;dr is that CEF as a project does not want to keep dragging patches along for the renderer, and Chromium doesn't have motivation to implement it themselves, so someone needs to do the work which is extremely complex and delicate. Anyone with the requisite skills/knowledge to do it is not available to work on it.

[WillFM]

Appreciate the info!

[WizardCM]

Status Update:

I bring great news! Thanks to fantastic work by @reitowo and others, we're on track to upgrade CEF in OBS to a modern version once again!

We've successfully built & tested CEF 6478 (Chromium 126) with all the bells & whistles we require.

This does not mean we'll be shipping an OBS update with a new Chromium immediately, as we'd like to perform extensive testing across all platforms and architectures.

Technical details for those curious can be found at the below obs-browser PR, and I'll provide a summary of the story so far (& the next steps).

• Enable building with CEF 6261 & 6367 (Chromium 122 & 124) obs-browser#434

For many years, we've been using an unofficial patch to CEF and adapting it where we could for each new Chromium release. Chromium 103 & 104 made dramatic changes to their rendering backend, removing the paths that the patches depended on. We continued reaching out to various parties to find someone willing to rewrite the patches with modern technologies, without much luck.

The reason the patch was unofficial in the first place is because Chromium itself didn't really handle the use case, and the CEF maintainers didn't want to have to maintain code that could fundamentally break every single major Chromium version, which is absolutely understandable.

Earlier this year, @reitowo posted in the abandoned CEF PR to check if any progress had been made, and as there was no response, they got to work. Less than two weeks later, they posted an initial implementation, and since then we've coordinated as best we could to get all the necessary bits in place, eventually resulting in eight Chromium PRs which were successfully merged throughout February and March.

As the Chromium maintainers coordinated to get the API fleshed out and the changes merged, we began work updating our own code in preparation. Eventually, in April, the changes to CEF were merged, meaning new official CEF builds going forward would provide what we needed.

This meant it was time to start in-depth testing, and it's where we hit a minor snag. Crashes on shutdown when "Control audio via OBS" was enabled - which @pkviet promptly tracked down and fixed in May. With all known side effects taken care of, it was time to make our first non-Windows builds, as building CEF takes a while & there's no point repeatedly building something you can't yet use. CEF 126 builds were created last week for all 3 platforms, and I went ahead and performed the tests across Windows, macOS & Linux, verified everything works, and pushed the changes to the PR.

So, next steps?

1. We're currently in OBS 30.2 beta testing, therefore no major changes will be added until after OBS 30.2's release, so in the meantime..
2. I will await a second opinion on the code in the above linked obs-browser PR, which will be merged post-OBS 30.2 release
3. Chrome 126 reached Stable channel 5 days ago, so in a couple of weeks CEF will start providing official stable builds to match
4. When that occurs, we'll make final OBS CEF 126 packages that are ready to be shipped & tested for all platforms. That's when I'll post an update below
5. If testing goes well, a future OBS version later this year or very early next year will be updated with the latest stable CEF at time of OBS beta, which could even be CEF 127 or 128 depending on timelines (and testing results).

Thanks to everyone for your patience thus far. I'm very excited about being able to bump CEF more frequently going forward & providing improved tools for web overlay developers.