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@ArangoGutierrez Do you mind clarifying on make the information about all clusters easy to query via a centralised API?

I am trying to understand what is it you are looking for. There are multiple multi-cluster management tools already available, is this a feature request? or do you have a specific product/project in mind you want to extend?

@ArangoGutierrez Do you mind clarifying on make the information about all clusters easy to query via a centralised API?

I am trying to understand what is it you are looking for. There are multiple multi-cluster management tools already available, is this a feature request? or do you have a specific product/project in mind you want to extend?

Sure, as I said

The Node-Feature-Discovery does a good work for exposing a per-node basis feature inventory but querying each cluster in a per-node basis can be a network intensive task

When I refer to a single API, I am saying that instead of having to query all the nodes for the created labels (NFD Labels), the new ClusterFeature CRD will be an aggregator, so application developers can have a controller to Watch for events on a single CRD, and be informed if the cluster got a new node, and the features of said node. This is a new CRD exposed by NFD, to group discovered features, by no means is Yet-Another-Multicluster-management-tool.

would there be a way that this work intersects with the open-cluster-management project? https://open-cluster-management.io/

would there be a way that this work intersects with the open-cluster-management project? https://open-cluster-management.io/

Hey!
No it won't NFD is not a Cluster management tool, our aim is to provide an easy and programatic way to expose all features via CRD's / Labels / annotations, so Developers/users can act on them.
The ClusterFeature CRD will basically be a cluster wide inventory of available resources. NFD discovered resources, are extra from the ones advertised to the Kubelet. We want to be able to host a Cluster wide inventory of specific features, like GPU type, specific CPU features like TDX os SMP, this are not exposed by default Kubernetes tools.

right! let me get more specific,
within o-c-m project, the placement would intersect quite nicely with NFD to allow workloads to land upon nodes with specific features. in other words, the scaffolding is already there for NFD to become a first class provider into o-c-m's placement. perhaps I need to work this connection from the other side and introduce o-c-m to NFD
https://open-cluster-management.io/scenarios/distribute-workload-with-placement/

I also got a bit of a heads-up from an engineer that works in o-c-m, and he shared some additional insights

It sounds kind of similar to the Cluster Inventory project that @qiujian16 has been pushing for. It was presented in the sig mc for a few rounds and finally got the go ahead from the sig mc chairs.
The repo: https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/cluster-inventory-api
@qiujian16's KEP in his personal repo for now: https://github.com/qiujian16/k8s-enhancements/tree/cluster-inventory/keps/sig-multicluster/cluster-inventory
SIG-MC kep draft presentation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sUWbe81BTclQ4Uax3flnCoKtEWngH-JA9MyCqljJCBM/

right! let me get more specific, within o-c-m project, the placement would intersect quite nicely with NFD to allow workloads to land upon nodes with specific features. in other words, the scaffolding is already there for NFD to become a first class provider into o-c-m's placement. perhaps I need to work this connection from the other side and introduce o-c-m to NFD https://open-cluster-management.io/scenarios/distribute-workload-with-placement/

Hey! we would love to help introduce o-c-m to NFD,
cc @marquiz and I are always looks to help with NFD as much as we can

To my understanding, this is to collect features in a cluster and have a singleton API in this cluster to summarize all the features from nodes? This is a bit different from cluster-inventory-api, since the latter requires a cluster management control plane. However I think there is another project seeming similar from sig-mc (https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/about-api) to introduce a ClusterProperty API to expose arbitrary properties of the cluster.

A lot of action in this space. A few random thoughts from an uneducated person:

• The O-C-M looks cool. Could be nice in providing a centralized place to store/query cluster info in the hub cluster
• The about-api looks very sketchy, with basically only one property (string value) per API object. For our purposes we'd need to enhance/extend the API.
• The cluster-inventory API could be used with O-C-M(?)

I was tagged in slack about this :)
@mwielgus do you think there could be any implications/simplifications here for Multi cluster Kueue?

A lot of action in this space. A few random thoughts from an uneducated person:

• The cluster-inventory API could be used with O-C-M(?)

yes, that is the plan.

@ArangoGutierrez I think I understand the change now, and I agree this would be great for Fluence. Do you want any help?

Is this KEP actively being worked on?

If not, happy to get the ball rolling by creating a first draft.

yes, this week we are just getting attention from the community, before working on it

@ArangoGutierrez is this KEP concern the creation of ClusterFeature CR in the cluster, or it will also try to integrate with cluster management by extending, for example ClusterClaim?

Hey! 👋🏻 I'm curious about what cluster features would be exposed exactly. kcp (which is mentioned in the initial description and was notified of this) in specific is not dealing with compute workloads directly, so aggregation of NFD-discovered features would not relate to it. Because of that, I'm mostly interested in this part:

expose cluster wide features currently not reported by NFD in a per node scenario, e.g Network config

Are there any clear ideas what examples there could be beyond network config?

All, me here to lead, what is this intersection NFD y'all are talking about, I assume it could reduce k8 costs

What do I need to study to contribute

Non-Goals

• change existing behaviour at the node level
• To be a MultiCluster management tool, this API is to expose NFD discovered features via a single API (CRD)

Hi @yevgeny-shnaidman , it is a Non-goal to walk into cluster management territory

Hey! 👋🏻 I'm curious about what cluster features would be exposed exactly. kcp (which is mentioned in the initial description and was notified of this) in specific is not dealing with compute workloads directly, so aggregation of NFD-discovered features would not relate to it. Because of that, I'm mostly interested in this part:

expose cluster wide features currently not reported by NFD in a per node scenario, e.g Network config

Are there any clear ideas what examples there could be beyond network config?

Hey @embik ! we are gathering requests from multiple places.
NFD is a per-node feature discovery solution, to help address the needs of Multi Cluster environments, this ClusterFeature/ClusterInventory API must/should also disclose things that are at the cluster level. So far we have heard a lot to get cluster wide Network config/features/capabilities and in a long term future potentially Topology (for MPI users).
there are other ideas like Storage, cluster health, etc.
If you have an idea, please feel free to share!

@ArangoGutierrez are we going to add something like NodeFeatureRules for the new CRD? i am guessing that it can come useful to determine if cluster supports GPU loads etc'

@ArangoGutierrez are we going to add something like NodeFeatureRules for the new CRD? i am guessing that it can come useful to determine if cluster supports GPU loads etc'

ClusterFeatureRules , that could be an addition, initially we aim for a CRD like NodeFeature but at a Cluster level, later on we could add ways of modifying it, like you mention with rules

Yes, maybe this could be a further addition/enhancement if some rule-based aggregation of features would be needed

I'm trying to understand what available features this ClusterFeature provides, an example would be great in addition to the API.

I'm trying to understand what available features this ClusterFeature provides, an example would be great in addition to the API.

Hey, sure! You can find all the feature sources NFD discovers and advertise on a per-Node basis here -> https://kubernetes-sigs.github.io/node-feature-discovery/v0.14/usage/features.html#table-of-contents

For all those interested I have filed #1487

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